The lovely Blessing of Salvation

Ecnailla · Post by **Ecnailla** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:52 pm

I just did bm traditional and a 1:1, but if you want to do a MM or SV, shot rotation is going to have to change from the default.

Brulan · Post by **Brulan** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:57 pm

Ok lets try this again....

A BM hunter in full tier 4 and legacy.. 1:1 rotation. I have all raid buffs (no food or pots).

With Might 787.56 dps
without 741.56

Marks hunter...

1:1 priority (Prior 1 Arcane, Prior 2 Multi)

With 758.03
Without 715.73

1:1.5 rotation (weaving Multi in with your auto and steady, i.e auto steady multi auto steady auto steady multi auto)

with 761.62
without 719.41

We're still looking at between a 5 and 6% dps loss. I think that pretty significant.

Tachion · Post by **Tachion** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:05 pm

Appologies, thats not what i meant by my post. The numbers i gave were with MM spec, w/ a base number of 1024 w/o might, vs 1085 w/ might.

I ran it against surv as well, just did not post the results, as the overall results were .03% deviation.

Ecnailla wrote:lol

somethings way off- your numbers for MM are higher than for BM.

Brulan · Post by **Brulan** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:07 pm

look at my 2nd post.

Irreverant · Post by **Irreverant** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:08 pm

Damn this thread blew up. I would like to say for the record that i prefer salv over might. The less threat i generate means more time that i get to pwn face befoer i have to hit the ground. Less FD = more dps imo.

Tachion · Post by **Tachion** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:09 pm

Ok, those seems like realistic results. Now pad the gear to what our hunters are producing, and lets compare the results on that. Our hunters produce around 1000-1100 dps? It would be interresting to see if might does or does not scale. My results show it not scaling.

Brulan wrote:Ok lets try this again....

A BM hunter in full tier 4 and legacy.. 1:1 rotation. I have all raid buffs (no food or pots).

With Might 787.56 dps
without 741.56

Marks hunter...

1:1 priority (Prior 1 Arcane, Prior 2 Multi)

With 758.03
Without 715.73

1:1.5 rotation (weaving Multi in with your auto and steady, i.e auto steady multi auto steady auto steady multi auto)

with 761.62
without 719.41

We're still looking at between a 5 and 6% dps loss. I think that pretty significant.

Brulan · Post by **Brulan** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:09 pm

on a fight like VW i would hope you hit FD everytime it was up......

Theres no way to import gear onto the spreadsheet is therE? guess i'll be doing this manually.

Ecnailla · Post by **Ecnailla** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:12 pm

I just realized you could load in spec/gear from the armory. I did Fervent and it was a 5.77% reduction, including pet dmg.

Tachion · Post by **Tachion** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:15 pm

To include a single point on our officer discussion, we were pushing that all our hunters add FD to their rotation so that there was not a boss pull, resulting in a FD. Everytime a hunter pulls a boss, and FD's, IMO, they are making a mistake. They proved that they had FD up, and did not use it correctly.

The reason why this has come up, is because it has become a reoccuring issue, and needs to be fixed. I believe that hunters are now fixing this issue, but that doesnt stop people from making a bad guy out of someone for trying to preserve raid integrity.

Brulan · Post by **Brulan** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:15 pm

You can only load in talents.. not gear. Unless i'm missing something somewhere..

Ecnailla · Post by **Ecnailla** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:16 pm

FD takes no hit to your dmg.
Lose one globalcooldown every 30 sec?
"imo" dosent apply in this case.
"less fd = more dmg" is just a false statment.

Brulan · Post by **Brulan** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:18 pm

I'm not trying to make a bad guy out of anyone.

I'm just playing with math. Like i said earliar.. I have mad respect for you and the decisions you make. I just think its worthwhile to pursue factual evidence. If i'm wrong i'll admit it 100%. I have no problem with that. Plus I find this stuff fun (yes i'm a nerd).

Right now i'm working on a loading in Tagaal's gear and running the numbers, then i'll do drizz's.

Ecnailla · Post by **Ecnailla** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:18 pm

I thought it was talents only too, but you can do gear- its at the top of the gear page- might have to scroll over some.

As I have said before -if this is a re.issue with one or two player- /w them, get them on vent and handle it with them. Don't put in place a practice that hurts the whole class.

Irreverant · Post by **Irreverant** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:19 pm

If im in a fight like VR and i have salv i dont need to hit FD everytime its up. So no i do not.

Brulan · Post by **Brulan** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:25 pm

/wrist slap rev