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Paladin class discussion.

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Post#16 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:18 pm

Shhh! Theres a dead horde in my trunk. Wanna see it? Fuck around and you'll be it.

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Post#17 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:36 pm

It's a good question. Judgements that cause direct damage (Command, Righteousness, Vengeance), rather than a debuff, do not remove an existing Judgement. As long as you continue to hit the mob, Crusader will remain up unless you explicitly use a different debuffing Judgement (Wisdom, Light, Justice). Note that the stacking debuff from Seal of Vengeance is not a Judgement and doesn't count against your limit; neither is the stun proc from Seal of Justice.

While your Paladin is leveling up, you won't have access to Seal of Vengeance. So in that circumstance, Seal/Judgement of Righteousness will be your core threat generation abilities. Since you lack a pulling ability until at least level 50 (Avenger's Shield), you will want to consider starting with JoR rather than JotC to frontload threat while tanking.

While soloing, I wouldn't even bother with Crusader, just judge Wisdom to help keep your mana up if you find yourself drinking often. There's really no point in using a full Seal/Judgement rotation on non-elites, as they die too fast to justify the mana.

My favorite Protection trick is to ride through a batch of mobs, aggro all of them, then turtle up with Holy Shield, Consecration, Sanctuary, and Retribution Aura and let them kill themselves on me. Your only limitation is the one you always have when soloing: you may run out of mana. If you start hurting too badly, bubble and bandage. Your heals are horribly inefficient so don't waste mana on them unless you absolutely have to.


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Post#18 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:15 pm

Cool. Thanks for the clarification. I was kind of figuring it wouldn't, considering you said you're always judging every time you can. Cause if all judgements knocked the previous off, no matter what, I was like, damn thats a complicated rotation and pretty mana intensive. But yeah, my "rotation", if you even want to call it that right now, consist of me casting SoR, basically pullng the mob with JoR and recasting SoR. Once I do that on the first mob, it's just kill that mob, SoR is still up and I pull the next with JoR. I use a macro for Judgement and SoR so I can just clicky click one button. Anyways... Thanks again.
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Post#19 » Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:43 pm




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Post#20 » Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:27 pm

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Post#21 » Sun May 25, 2008 6:23 pm

Ok, I'm comparing Buddha's and Virek's prot spec and theyre identical. They mesh mostly with Bren's spec, but Bren has 0/5 in Shield Specialization, 3/5 Anicipation and 5/5 Reckoning while Buddha and Virek have 5/5 in Shield Specialization, 5/5 Anticipation and 0/5 Reckoning. Why is that?
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Post#22 » Sun May 25, 2008 8:02 pm

the talents we chose are better than reckoning (even though i cannot wait to hit 75 so i can have it again) shield specialization is muy importante, but most importantly is reckoning only happens when you get crit i think, i guessi should look stuff up before i give advice but eh, anyway, #1 for starter prot pallies is start to tank the lvl 60 instances and work your way up from there to heroics, to get practice, but for getting gear like doing kara i think that all paladins need to know how to heal, so that imo is really the first step





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Post#23 » Sun May 25, 2008 9:02 pm

Actually reckoning was changed a while ago, 5/5 reckoning now gives a 10% chance for an additional attack after being hit by any damaging attack.

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Post#24 » Sun May 25, 2008 10:53 pm

Reckoning improves threat generation while Avoidance and Shield Specialization improve mitigation. Although Protection Paladins make the most efficient use of post-cap Defense of any tanking class, you still get slightly better point-for-point value from other stats. For a newly minted Tankadin, you probably don't have enough gear to Defense cap without 5/5 Anticipation, so by all means drop as much there as you can.

Shield Specialization is one of those annoying talents, because while it does improve mitigation, unlike a Warrior it has no effect on threat generation. Buddha runs with 500+ SBV, while Brendore is still sitting around 230. SBV is valuable in inverse proportion to the per-hit damage inflicted by mobs, so while it's great for AoE tanking, it's only so-so for bosses.

Stask, at your level of tanking, I would max Anticipation but leave Shield Specialization alone. For gemming, get to love Enduring Talasites (blue/yellow sockets) and Glowing Nightseyes (red sockets). Once you cap Defense, any further blue sockets should have Solid Star of Elune.



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Post#25 » Mon May 26, 2008 5:52 am

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