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Post by Ecnailla » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:53 am

I really try to be "gnomer" in my posts -but his post in my "food for thought" thread has just hit the tip of the ice burg on why wow is so fucked up. I fucking hate this game and wouldn't shed a tear if their entire server cluster and backups burnt to the ground.

I don't mean to be all melodramatic, but wow potentially ruined my life. Not that I can't salvage it and have a happy life going forward, but I very well might lose ...a lot...because of this fucking shit. I regard you as friends and I really just don't feel right about never saying how fucking dangerous it can be.

Look at your kids tonight. Look at your significant other. You might be able to play this game without neglecting them. I couldn't and I'm paying for it now. Don't be me. Get the fuck out before you regret it. Might be a little too heavy handed, but it really did fuck up my entire world without me even noticing it. I never had a friend step in and say " Dude, wake the fuck up." - I just got a few odd looks. So, as your friend that understands this game better than any of your friends in real life - "Wake the fuck up".


I have a friend that was a drunk addict/alcoholic and in AA before he was 18. He cleaned up, but was annoying as shit- he was so preachy about any drugs or alcohol and while you were happy he was off the shit you just wanted to grab him and shake him at times and yell - "not everyone is a fucking addict!", but you didn't because you understood where he was coming from.

I'm sorry if I'm like this, but I was addicted to it. Hard. My hands would shake and I would get very angry if my computer screwed up and I couldn't get on wow. I'm not an angry person. I wasn't me - wow changed who I was.

I probably won't be on the forums much anymore. I'll miss you guys, but it just makes me sad. I had a lot of good times, but looking back it is hard for me to look at those good times any different than a coke head would look back at how good a high felt. I might sound extream... fuck it. Won't be the first time someone looked at me like I was nuts...

Love you guys more than you know.
All of you.
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Post by Ginxx » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:04 pm

The average american watches 29 hours of tv a week, or 1508 hrs /yr. That is 63 days watched / year.
If you take that over 5 years that 315 days of TV watched in 5 years. Wow has been out for 5 years so if your /played is from launch day you have played wow for about the same amount of time the average american spends watching TV. Not to say you couldnt have spent that time better im just pointing out an interesting stat. As someone who smoked cigs for 7 years (pack a day) and recently quit (1 year and 1 month!) I KNOW about addiction. If you feel you are addicited to something and its messing up your life its time to get help. That said i can have a beer and think nothing of it whereas an alcoholic can never have even one beer without tumbling into a downward spiral. I know I cannot have even one cigarette and if i do I will be totally fucked. I know that. If you know you cant touch WoW and not tumble down fucking delete it break your discs and move on. Other people however can play with no problems at all. The most important part about addiction is realizing when you have one. Good luck brother.

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Post by Ecnailla » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:17 pm

I know, and I agree. For a long time I thought of wow as what I did instead of watching tv.

It was true in many ways -but I was lying to myself at the same time. I don't think many people acted how I did because of TV - then again - I know some guys do that and more when it comes to sports and spending a ton of money on a tv and stuff for the big game - so I guess anything can be that way if you let it. Wow is and always will be a danger for me personally. There are a few of you that, as you friend, i see the same thing in you. Ginxx, honestly, you aren't one of them. I never saw you as addicted. Still- it is estimated that 80% of mmo players are "addicted" when put to the standard definition. If nothing else, just be careful with it.

But for the record - I've never watched tv for 29 hours a week, but I did play wow for well over 40hours a week many many times.

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Post by Gnomerman » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:42 pm

ecn, i hear what you mean and being all "gnomer" makes me feel like im preachy... oh wait....


but i whole heartedly agree with you. wow is not like tv, because, for one, if your friend called you up asking if you wanted to go out for a beer, would you go. for me personally, if i was watching tv, its a no brainer, but playing wow, is a descision to make.

i consider myself to be near addicted (i think i have an addictive personality). i seem to think of it as i thuroughly enjoy things. but as the 40 hours a week, i've played 40 hours a weekend many many times. (not lately).

but Ecn, i am glad you've proverbially woken up (one day i'll grow up too... i hope) and i wish you well in the future. as far as "that post" i never really thought about it until you put hours on it, and i played with the calculator for a while.

final thoughts are as follows:

THERE IS A SOCIAL LIFE OUTSIDE OF WOW. it is 100x better, and if you are in a bad spot in RL, those people can help you, wow can not. i mean, seriously, when was the last time your guild mates helped you move? I feel like we had some good times (too bad we didn't all play hockey or something together).

but ecn, don't be a stranger, i've determined you and i are rather similar, and that often leads to us butting heads. (feel free to challenge that statement).

so, on a lighter note,

class action lawsuit against blizzard for ruining lives? people sued big tobbacco for ruining peoples lives. why not blizz? (the amount of seriousness in the last paragraph is about the freezing point of nitrogen in absolute K).
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Post by Lealla » Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:35 pm

There's no doubt that online games can attract addictive personalities. But just because someone chooses to spend a significant amount of time playing a game does not make them addicted to it. It's up to individual players (and their friends and families) to monitor their own behavior and determine what's appropriate for themselves and their lives.

With 11 million players, you're going to have a wide distribution of different playstyles -- everything from the guy who logs in once a week to the guy who plays 12 hours a day.

There was a time when I was much more hardcore than I am now. I raided 4-5 hours at a time. I went to bed regularly at 1-2 AM. I played marathon weekend sessions. Then I had a family and I needed to step back a bit. I still play for 20-30 hours a week, but I make sure that before I do, my son's in bed, the dishes are clean, the cat is fed, the laundry is running, etc. I clean the house. I go out on weekends. I have date nights with my wife. We take trips. I just negotiate any specific times I want to be playing, like raid nights.

Heck, even before WoW, I played other games. I'm just a gamer -- maybe that's my addiction, not WoW specifically. :-)

I don't compare the time I spent playing versus the money I could have earned, because the time I'm at home is supposed to be for leisure, not work. I work already. I don't count hours spent watching TV, or going to the movies, or driving to my mom's house as potential income; why should I count WoW? I pay for the privilege of playing it, not the other way around. I don't look at my character and go, "well, if I sold this, I'd have $X, and that means my playtime was worth $X/[time played]," because (a) selling accounts is wrong, (b) that's completely missing the point of why I play in the first place.

In other words, Ec and Gnomer, it's not necessary for you to "save" anyone. It's possible to play this game and still have it be compatible with a normal, productive life.
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Post by Kalianna » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:02 pm

I can't type well enough or fast enough to say everything I want to. I am a much better talker as many of you know. I feel that I was on the edge of addiction to this game. Luckily I was not at the level of ability as many of you and I pouted which lead to the best thing that happened to me. I stepped away. And in that time I reset and put things into perspective. I am now enjoying WoW for all new reasons and they include family this time so I will see where this leads. I know however that walking away will be a easier step the next time I need to. I, as Ecn and Gnomer and Lealla, really enjoyed YaWA and the friendships it afforded me. I will remember you all for as long as my mind continues to allow me, and hopefully beyond.
Please someone, give me the knowledge to only Blink when I should.

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Post by Ecnailla » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:18 pm

Kalianna wrote: ...for as long as my mind continues to allow me...
I give it 6 months.

J/K kali! I love you!

And yea, lealla- that is why I added the bit about my friend who isn't able to see the difference between casual drinking and an addiction. I recognize I am now that way about wow and I just have a jaded view, but it really screwed me up bad enough to have that view. I think a lot of people consider it addicting and that they might lose out on a few hobbies or social engagements because of it -but I don't know how many consider that it might really screw something important up to you. So yea, take everything I say with more than one grain of salt, but still- I wanted to say my part (as usual)... Deleting my toons was like a weight of me...

That's right lealla... I didn't sell a thing. : )

Video games have always been addictive for me - I was never as good at them as I was at wow. I totally agree with you kali - had I not been as good at it, it might have been just like any other game for me. But never the less - I've played the best mmo out there and all other games just don't measure up to it... I play xbox and it just makes me want to play wow instead... So I have totally stopped playing all games (save for mafia wars and farmville, which I still spend too much time on). Maybe I can play some type of video game again, but at least for now I have shit to do...

I love my new found time. Karate is going great - I have dont 100x more house work in the last 2 months than in the last 4 years and I have enjoyed it... I am going to start running sound for a comedy club - This weekend, had it not been for ice I would have gone out with and done something fun with friends Friday/Saturday and Sunday night (Friday got iced out). I'm going to start going back to school soon - I have rediscovered my love of photography and photoshop... I have seen my family more... I've had a much more fulfilling relationship with Guen... I've started going back to Church every weekend (haven't done that in years- hard to do when you play wow till 5am Saturday night)...
Yea, gnomer is right- there are some social life things outside of wow- but personally, I've found a life period - social or other wise.


On a side note - if anyone wants to buy a g15 keyboard, a naga mouse - I'd love to reinvest that money into some photography stuff.

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Post by Ginxx » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:56 pm

I'll give ya 8 bucks!!!

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Post by Gnomerman » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:36 pm

my g11 shit itself, and i don't feel like dropping 75 bucks on a new keyboard....

i've got 40 bucks for you if you ship the g15 to me.


and lealla, you don't have to justify your playing wow, do what you want to, doesn't bother me none. im very happy that you can schedule your life to do it.

i personally neglect chores to play wow, and i realize its a problem. i haven't folded laundry in almost 6 months (i didn't fold laundry when i wasn't playing wow mind you). yes i do it, my clothes are fresh and clean thank you.

so i realize i need to get shit together. it happens, however, i have started going to the gym again (thats right getting back into shape) so its a process. to each their own.
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Post by Virek » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:24 am

im on the page with kali. i straight up quit for 7 months and loved it. i came back because i dont enjoy tv. it was winter. my fiance had night classes. and i was bored. Now that spring is on the way in who knows. I am going back to school full time in august. so i have given myself a timeline. Personally arthas is the last thing in the game i really care to see. Having gone through warcraft 1,2,3 and frozen throne theres alot of lore there, and it seems that this is the pinnacle of a good game. after this (if it can go anymore) wow is going to slide downhill. So, like i said before i have a timeline. Im going to pull the plug before i go back to school. I am restarting my life this summer as i see it. Im getting married, going to school. Wow just doesnt fit anymore. Sure ive enjoyed wow since ive came back. but its not the same. YaWa isnt there. Theres some fun times in the guild im in now sure. but not the same. So for me, as ec, life will move on outside of wow.

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Post by Palehorse » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:35 pm

as lealla pointed out, everyone has a different view on what they define as "addiction" and to the extent which WoW (or practically any activity/substance for that matter) can be "addicting".

Some people can get very addicted to wow, while others less so. My bro is/was a player in a hardcore endgame guild (the name is very well known), and I still remember him spending a summer in vanilla WoW just rep grinding. He literally spent 8-10 hour days in the basement (at one point grinding Wintersaber when they were notoriously repetitve) and barely came up other than for food and bathroom runs...

Me? somewhat but less so. I was in grad school for much of the time and for the most part I abstained playing at least the last year or two during the semester but let loose on the summer/winter breaks. Other than lurking in the guild forum and worldofraids, I was *usually* a good boy :P

And frankly, while I did sometimes neglect chores or stuff, WoW didn't turn me into a super-duper-arrogant-prick, although I did become a little more...sociable and outgoing as well as sardonic/impish (as I'm sure Lealla and Stask would agree). I continue to play wow not so much for gear, but because I get to interact with people in a way that I can't at the present time. I'm also learning more about the people behind the characters....a former guildie's going thru a rough personal situation, for example....

To be sure, wow can be addicting, but so can almost anything else.....ant farm, Second Life, Sims, chocolate, etc. I'll end with a movie quote, "the choices we make, affect the lives we take".

Food for thought.

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