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HAT Spec

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HAT Spec

Post#1 » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:57 am

Gnomer was doing some research on why some rogues were doing 12K DPS on Tahd. given the Thad fight does boots Melee DPS a bit but there is another way.

after snooping around at work i start to look into HAT (Honor Among Theives) Spec. basically, this is Deep into the Sub tree and in TBC, was only good for PVP. now one thing makes this Spec viable for raiding [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=51698[url]Honor Among Thieves.[/url]

same thing that applies as Mut or in any Rogue build....COMBO POINTS. Just imagine HAT procing 24 times in a boss fight. that is 24 raid members criting giving a HAT Rogue 33% chance to gain a combo point 24x (given the "CD" limit of the proc) while generating his combo points. that's like every other move is a finisher. i would imagine this spec would not do as well in a 5 or 10 man since it is group dependent


The Rotation:
Opener / 5cp Rup / 5cp SnD / if Rup and SnD are still ticking ->Envenom/Evis until you need to refresh Rup / SnD -Repeat

Gear:
Same as any other rogue gear... Agi, Hit, Ap, Crit. gemming anything with agi / hit would do. if you have a meta then gem to the spec of that meta.

Weapons: Slow MH, Fast OH. i've seen a lot of rogue doing Fist/daggers or 2 daggers to utalize their BS/Abmush abilities.

There is also a "bug" with in this spec....more like an exploit. it appears HaT is giving an extra combo point per Hat rogue per crit atm. 2 HaT rogues = any rogue crits, 2 combo points are given. 3 HaT rogues, 1 crits, 3 combo points are given.

just 2 rogues in a group with a hunter or so would be full of combo points, as the rogues have evis/envenom up. with near 50% crit rate (imagine if you had a group of rogues procing HAT in a raid). i'm pretty sure Blizz is aware of this and will fix it in an a patch somewhere.


[url=http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?tal=30201000000000000000000000000520300500050100000000000005320032030300121350115031000#none[url]Spec[/url]

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Post#2 » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:36 am

FYI, Blizzard is indeed aware of this issue, so don't expect it to last forever.


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Post#3 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:50 am

Quick comment: I'm looking at the and while all the Mut rogues all have the same spec (51/13/7), there seems to be some slight variance of specs for the HAT rogues. Namely, it's not completely consistent, some used (7/21/43) while others used (5/21/45) (This one is Kitsunari, an Enigma rogue i grouped with in Icecrown last night) and even a third variant (6/21/44) [EDIT: This third variant looks to be the original HAT spec as it's the one Gig linked previously.] More research is needed to see which one would be best for me to experiment with.

More later.

Oh, and Gig, in your rotation above, you put 5cp Rup before 5cp SnD. I remember that was something I did when I was still sword specced and IIRC it was a major reason my dps was abnormally low. Shouldn't the SnD come before the Rupture or is HAT an exception to this rule?
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Post#4 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:26 am

stask, the reason why you don't SnD is due to the fact that you are only making half of your own combo points, and the majority of your damage is yellow, not white.

gig/lealla, i belive its getting fixed in 3.0.8, the exploit that is.

so if you have 3 rogues in your group (thats how they were getting 10k dps on patch) instead of now getting 3 bombo poitns per effect, you'll be getting one per rogue as normal. even not as an exploit, a fully raid buffed shaman or hunter or warrior is going to be critting every other hit. in a 5 man group, with 4 mele, you are probably going to have them crit once per seccond between the 4 of them.



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Post#5 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:41 am

Umm gig, is 100%
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Post#6 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:17 am

No.

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Post#7 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:35 am




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Post#8 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:17 am

even when hat is fixed, it is still going to be a very viable spec. mages are a bad group to be in, cuz we only hit a spell every 3 secconds, even with 60% crit chance. in a fury warrior, hunter, enhance shaman, ret pally, and hat rogue group, that rogue would be getting pretty damn close to the one cp/seccond cooldown. Without the bug, that is still more than doubling a rogues cp generation.






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Post#9 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:40 pm


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Post#10 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:14 pm







There is more to life than pew pew you know, like staying out of the fire so you can live to pew pew another day

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Post#11 » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:44 am

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Post#12 » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:21 am

It's the thought that counts, not how many people die because of it.
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Post#13 » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:30 am


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Post#14 » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:32 pm

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Post#15 » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:53 pm

It's the thought that counts, not how many people die because of it.
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