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blog rant about vaccine stupidity (those who don't get one)

Post by Palehorse » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:24 pm

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rant was originally posted on medscape forum
A Budget of Dumb Asses
Mark Crislip, MD, Infectious Diseases, 08:40PM Sep 7, 2009

Flu season is here, kinda sorta, it never really went away thanks to H1N1. I was rounding today, lucky me with the three day weekend, when one of my colleagues mentioned a post I had written a year ago at the old blog about the flu vaccine. It was printed and put up in the break room, and he saw it, took it home to his wife, who promptly mailed it to a colleague that is a proud "I never get the flu vaccine" kind of guy.

It is like people who are proud of being ignorant of science. I never understand why people brag about being ignorant or stupid. You would think they would be embarrassed, but then they are probably a... well, let us just see.

Anyway, he read my short rant and evidently changed his mind about getting the flu vaccine this year. Yippee. So what was the powerful, reasoned essay that altered the course of human (well, maybe one human) history?

I give you, slightly rewritten for 2009, a Budget of Dumb Asses.

I had my flu shot today. Well, my anti-flu shot. Protected me, my family, and my patients from sickness and death for another year. Whew.

I wonder if you are one of those Dumb Asses who do not get the flu shot each year? Yes. Dumb Ass. Big D, big A. You may be allergic to the vaccine, you may have had Guillain Barre, in which case I will cut you some slack. But if you don't have those conditions and you work in health care and you don't get a vaccine for one of the following reasons, you are a dumb ass.

1. The vaccine gives me the flu. Dumb ass. It is a killed vaccine. It cannot give you the influenza. It is impossible to get flu from the influenza vaccine.

2. I never get the flu, so I don't need the vaccine. Irresponsible dumb ass. I have never had a head on collision, but I wear my seat belt. And you probably don't use a condom either. So far you have been lucky, and you are a potential winner of a Darwin Award, although since you don't use a condom, you are unfortunately still in the gene pool.

3. Only old people get the flu. Selfish dumb ass. Influenza can infect anyone, and one of the groups who are more likely to die of influenza are the very young. Often those most at risk for dieing from influenza are those least able, due to age or underlying diseases, to respond to the vaccine. You can help prevent your old, sickly Grandmother or your newborn daughter from getting influenza by getting the vaccine, so you do not get flu and pass it one to her. Flu, by the way, is highly contagious, with 20 to 50% of contacts with an index case getting the flu. However, Granny may be sitting on a fortune that will come to you, and killing her off with the flu is a great way to get her out of the way and never be caught. That would make a good episode of CSI.

4. I can prevent influenza or treat it by taking echinacea, vitamin C or airborne. Gullible dumb ass cubed then squared. None of these concoctions has any efficacy what so ever against influenza. They neither prevent nor treat influenza. And you can't boost you immune system either. Immunity is not a Jamba Juice. Anyone who says that the immune system can be boosted is also a dumb ass.

5. Flu isn't all that bad a disease. Underestimating dumb ass. Part of the problem with the term flu is that it is used both as a generic term for damn near any viral illness with a fever and is also used for a severe viral pneumonia. Medical people are just as inaccurate about using the term as the general public. The influenza virus directly and indirectly kills 30,000 people and leads to hospitalization of 200,000 in the US each year. Influenza is a nasty lung illness. And what is stomach 'flu'? No such thing, dumb ass.

6. I am not at risk for flu. Denying dumb ass. If you breathe, you are risk for influenza. Here are the groups of people who should not get the flu vaccine (outside of people with severe adverse reactions to the vaccine): Former President Clinton, who evidently doesn't inhale. And people who want to be safe from zombies. If you don't get the vaccine you do not have to worry about the zombie apocalypse, because zombies eat brains.

7. The vaccine is worse than the disease. Dumb ass AND a wimp. What a combination. Your mother must be proud. Unless you think a sore deltoid for a day is too high a price to pay to prevent two weeks of high fevers, severe muscles aches, and intractable cough.

8. I had the vaccine last year, so I do not need it this year. Uneducated dumb ass. Each year new stains of influenza circulate across the world. Last years vaccine at best provides only partial protection. Every year you need a new shot. And we have a new strain this season, H1N1, so you cannot be a parasite on the immunity of others.

9. The vaccine costs too much. Cheap dumb ass. The vaccine costs less than a funeral, less than Tamiflu, less than a week in the hospital.

10. I received the vaccine and I got the flu anyway. Inexact dumb ass. The vaccine is not perfect and you may have indeed had the flu. More likely you called one of the many colds people get each year the flu. Remember there are hundreds of potential causes of a respiratory infection circulating, the vaccine only covers influenza, the virus most likely to kill you and yours.

11. I don't believe in the flu vaccine. Superstitious, premodern, magical thinking dumb ass. What is there to believe in? Belief is what you do when there is no data. Probably don't believe in gravity or germ theory either. Everyone, I suppose, has to believe in something, and I believe I will have a beer.

12. The government puts tracking nanobots in the vaccine as well as RFID chips as part of the mark of the beast, and the vaccine doesn't work since it is part of a big government sponsored conspiracy to line the pockets of big pharma and inject the American sheeple with exotic new infections in an attempt to control population growth and help usher in a New World Order. Well, that excuse is at least reasonable. Paranoid dumb ass.

So get the vaccine. And pass this url on to someone else. The life you may save may be your own. Or be a dumb ass.

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Post by Gnomerman » Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:28 pm

yeah... i firmly belive in number 12...

so no shot for me...

oh, number 13.

the government puts new diseases, chemicals, and other bad stuff randomly throughout the flu vaccine mix to kill brain cells and make the masses less inteligent and easier to control, and force stupid legislation through congress/senate to take away your rights as an american.

step 1, the rediculousness of public health care
step 2, cap and trade to take control of the energy in this country and give it to the government, and the big corporations in bed with the government. also quadroopling the cost of ALL energy in this country (that means oil too), and this will allow for step 3,

goverment central energy, to "reduce" the cost of energy to the consumer. half of quadruple is a good savings right? 50% off a 400% increase.... woot we love it.



im done ranting, but its less far fetched than it appears
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Post by Lealla » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:57 am

Actually, Gnomer, your additions make me wonder if you didn't eat some lead paint when you were a kid. The ultra-conservative propaganda machine marches on...
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Post by Gnomerman » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:56 pm

no lead based paint.

but the stuff in the vaccines... thats paranoia...

if you want to pay $ 0.50 per killowatt hour for electricity, tell your congressman/senator that you want cap and trade.

the cost increases that the energy companies will have will go 105% to the consumer.
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Post by Lealla » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:20 am

Back on topic, your "rights as an American", to some people, apparently include the right to refuse medical treatment that can prevent not only you but everyone around you from getting extremely sick.

"America: enshrining the God-given right to be a dumbass since the 18th century."

As for national health care, I suppose you feel that we, as a society, benefit from having fifty million people uninsured and the rest at risk of being cut by their insurance provider whenever it becomes inconvenient to cover them? Oh, that's right, the people making those laws don't have to worry about their healthcare.
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Post by Gnomerman » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:32 pm

We would be better off if everyone had some form of healthcare. however, spending 4 trillion dollars to do it, is a little much imo. everyone needs to have at least a high deductible health insurance plan. that would not give everyone enough to go see the doctor whenever they had a sniffle, but would protect everyone from major illnessses and accidents, and expensive treatments. those plans are not that expensive (under 2000/year) and serve a purpose. high deductable is something like 1000 bucks.

is that desireable? no, if you need to have healthcare, the minimum needs to be... well minimum.

things that we should do for health care

1- remove the tax break employers get from giving you health care. tying health care to your job is dumb. however, create a health care account that every person is required to have, and banks/financial institutions must provide to everyone without charge. make putting dollars into said account tax free for the employer. this puts the money in an account for the consumer to shop for health care. can only be used towards health care costs. so long as you have healthcare (required minimum) the money would go to the consumer (minus income tax) at the end of the year. This provides incentive for people to actually get a good deal on their health care (so long as its required to have a minimum).

2- create a national health care requirement, and force insurance companies to sell national plans that anyone in the country can buy. mixed with the healthcare account, bam!

3- Tort reform. imo this is the single most important thing. Reduce the liability for doctors if they make a mistake. you can sue the doctor, and get a settlement, but your family doesn't deserve to get rich cuz you die on an accident. limit it to $300k instead of some people getting millions. this will SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the insurance cost for healthcare providers, and thus, lower their cost, and in a competitive marketplace, will reduce costs to everyone

4- digitalize healthcare records. do i need to explain?

5- healthcare insurance companies must provide coverage to EVERYONE. However, they can charge up to 15% more depending on pre existing conditions. YES, we should cover people with diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure, however, they should have to pay more, because they have higher costs. people who spend the most in healthcare, should have to pay the most. why do people who make the most pay the most taxes? cuz its whats right.



Those above changes, will reduce the cost of healthcare in this country, won't be an 1800 page bill, and will not favor large healthcare corporations.
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Post by Ecnailla » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:04 pm

I'm gonna get swine flu then go volunteer at an old folks home. That will help insurance cost some...

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Post by Gnomerman » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:33 pm

i love how politically incorrect that is....
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