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Post#16 » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:25 pm

Lealla wrote:Yeah, I'd really like to see if you can build a competitive system for $500 without major sacrifices.


Define competitive...

$500 build:

Motherboard: $79
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157139

CPU: $76 AMD 3.1 GHz dual core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103272

RAM: $34 2x1 GB 1066
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231144

Video Card: $199 Radeon 4870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102810

Total: $388, $112 left over for a case/psu (subtract $20 for dvd drive).

I don't see anyone building a phenom rig for $500, but the parts I listed will run WOW at max settings and run pretty much any other new game decently.

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Post#17 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:29 am

http://www.tigerdirect.com/

try looking round this site, nice items and reliable services
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Post#18 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:47 am

Hell, aside from the video card that's only slightly better than what I'm running now, Arlan. Also, computers don't run very well without hard drives.
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Post#19 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:53 am

lol, im working on one currently, however, using ie6 makes my head hurt
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Post#20 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:58 am

If I am going to upgrade my system I fully intend to get something that's at least going to be running acceptably 2 years down the road. That means a BD drive, a DX10 video system that's HDMI and CUDA capable, 3+ GB of RAM, Windows 7 compatibility, and a CPU that won't choke and die when the next big game hits. If that means spending an extra $500 or so, I'm willing to go there.

Hopefully I'll be able to get the funds together this year.
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Post#21 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:04 pm

lealla, if your going to go for 2 years, at this point, here is my opinion on a minimum.

quad core

4870/gtx 260 level of graphics hardware

4 gb of ram (i'd go for ddr3, however, right now, with a budget in mind, ddr2 is the way to go. that means waiting for amd, and waiting for intel to come out with a mainstream chipset that doesn't have a starting price of 200 bucks)

640 gb hdd

a 500w psu that is 80+ certified from a top tier psu company (this will easily power the system i am suggesting, maybe go up to 650 depending on how much you care about your power bill).

a case with adequate cooling


win7 requires less hardware to run smoothly than vista does (so i've read from beta testing). you can get a 512mb 4870 for 199.99. 1 gb versions run about 250, same as a gtx 260

quad cores start at just over 100 bucks. the Q6600 ($187), which has been out for 2 years, is still future proof imo. its not the most efficient, nor powerful, but amd finally (with its phenom II) produced a quadcore that can outperform it. from a dollar/performance view, it is still a good buy, the phenom 920 for 195 is equally a bargan.

for your motherboard i would hit up either an intel or amd platform. sli/ crossfirex is only worth implementing if you build it from the get go. buying one card, and saying you'll wait 6 months to a year to add annother one, is not worth the dollars/ performance. after a year, the same number of dollars can buy you one graphics card that is equal to 2 of your current one, and uses less power. SLI/crossfire is good, but only with the high end cards, because in 99% of cases, one high power card is better than 2 medium power cards. (the 4850 in crossfire is pretty competitive, cuz you can grab a pair for around 300 bucks, and it kicks the pants off a $250 4870, however, you need to take into account the extra power supply costs)

buy a 2x2gig kit of ddr2 800, or 1066, whatever your pocket prefers (most ddr2 800 kits and 1066 kits are the same chips, just set at factory)

the reason i suggest 640, is cuz its cheap, and fast. the WD 640gig drives are on 2 platters, which make them use less energy, and perform faster than say a 750gig. again, its a small section, 1 TB drives are on par with speed, and in all honesty 99% of people won't notice hdd speed difference.

im stil working the 500 dollar build (i discovered you can get a legitimate dual core processor for as low as 38 bucks)
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Post#22 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:51 pm

give me a dollar number and a functionality, and i will part a build up for ya.
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Post#23 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:16 pm

$1K. 2-year lifespan. Single-card DX10, pref. nVidia. Core 2, Phenom II, or better. 3GB or more RAM. Windows 7. BD-RW. HDD, case, PSU, KB/mouse. Monitor separate. Discrete sound optional.
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Post#24 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:28 pm

Lealla wrote:Hell, aside from the video card that's only slightly better than what I'm running now, Arlan. Also, computers don't run very well without hard drives.


LOL, I thought I was forgetting something.



$1K. 2-year lifespan. Single-card DX10, pref. nVidia. Core 2, Phenom II, or better. 3GB or more RAM. Windows 7. BD-RW. HDD, case, PSU, KB/mouse. Monitor separate. Discrete sound optional.


That system for $1k might be doable.

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Post#25 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:31 pm

Lealla wrote:Hell, aside from the video card that's only slightly better than what I'm running now, Arlan. Also, computers don't run very well without hard drives.

Sure they do - just pop in a live distro, and you don't have to worry about an OS either =P

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Post#26 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:32 pm

the hard part is the bd- rw is gonna run you 230, you wait a year and its less than half that. that is the challenge of 1k at this point. i'll have one in 12 hours...

this would be my dream job... building custom rigs for people, from the simple to the extreme, the computer to fit a persons lifestyle and budget :)

if i were in business it would be more like 15 minutes to an hour (depending on user needs) than 12 hours
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Post#27 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:42 pm

Gnomerman wrote:the hard part is the bd- rw is gonna run you 230, you wait a year and its less than half that. that is the challenge of 1k at this point. i'll have one in 12 hours...

this would be my dream job... building custom rigs for people, from the simple to the extreme, the computer to fit a persons lifestyle and budget :)

if i were in business it would be more like 15 minutes to an hour (depending on user needs) than 12 hours

I found a BD drive on Pricewatch for $122, although it may not have had write capabilites; I didn't read the specs thoroughly. So, I retract that spec and say I want a BD reader with DVD-RW and CD-RW capabilities.
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Post#28 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:19 pm

$1k build:

Comments welcome

AMD Phenom II: $195 (free shipping)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103472

Motherboard: $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157139

2x2 GB 1066 RAM: $66 ($46 after MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227289

640 GB HD: $75 (free shipping)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218

Nvidia GTX 260: $240
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187050

Blue-Ray ROM CD/DVD RW: $120 (I own this one, great drive, free shipping)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136133

PC Power and Cooling 610W PSU: $105 ($70 after MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703005

Logitech Keyboard/Mouse combo: $50 ($40 after MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126032

Total: $931

That price obviously does not include the OS or a case. You did not specify if you wanted a full tower or mid tower. If you want to stay under $1k your options will be limited with only $70 left for the case. You will have more options for mid tower cases under $70. You also need to factor in shipping. Shipping on cases is so expensive I usually just look at the ones with free shipping. Budget a bit more if you want a gamer keyboard/mouse. With the specs you are asking for there aren't many places you can cut corners and get a complete system with OS for under $1k. You should definitely be able to get the whole rig shipped with OS for under $1200 though.

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Add in a few bucks for an SATA cable for the HD, I would also recommend getting some Artic Silver to replace the stock thermal compound. You could knock a little bit off the price tag of this build if you are willing to reuse a few things from your current computer like the case,HD and keyboard/mouse.

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Post#29 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:35 pm

Yeah, with that system I'd probably reuse my existing case, KB, and mouse, so there'd be room to add Vista Home Premium or possibly Windows 7 (depending on the price point of the latter) and still hit under $1K before shipping.

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Post#30 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:08 pm

$500 build

case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811133075

motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131330

video card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814102803

hdd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822136319

memmory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820104043

CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819103289

power supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817139008

for the optical drive, there is 25 dollars of space for a dvd burner. you either need to buy a pata model, or a sata cable, cuz the mobo i selected only comes with one sata cable.

(sata cables are 5 bucks or less)

total is $492.92 before shipping there is a 10 dollar mir on the case. BAM 500 dollar pc without a sacrifice

ps...

will max wow
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